[Ohrrpgce] H codename?

Wed Jul 1 21:23:39 PDT 2020

Yes, if we go with Hróðvitnir we'll need to name the svn branch hrodvitnir
otherwise we'd at best be annoying ourselves, at worst, awful problems. In
that case distrib-win.bat in the hrodvitnir branch would need a minor patch
to use a hardcoded svn branch name.
The /DEBIAN/control file must be utf8 encoded, so I doubt a non-ascii
version code will be a problem there. (I did forget to update the debian
build script though.)
If necessary, hrodvitnir could be used in other places it's not displayed.

On Thu, 2 Jul 2020 at 14:06, James Paige <Bob at hamsterrepublic.com> wrote:

> Oh, dang, that is a lot of trouble. I do remember accented filenames
> corrupting one of my svn working copies once.
>
> As much as I would like to give Fenrir first choice on this thanks to all
> his hard work on Vikings,  maybe Hurdy-gurdy is the way to go.
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 1, 2020, 10:00 PM Ralph Versteegen <teeemcee at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> OK, so it may be an option, but shall we go with Hróðvitnir or the
>> popular Hurdy-gurdy?
>>
>> I think the pronunciation is somewhere between throw-the-vit-nish and
>> throw-the-vich-nish (soft 'ch' like in 'loch') and 'throw-the' naturally
>> run together into one syllable.
>> https://forvo.com/word/hr%C3%B3%C3%B0vitnir/#is
>> Compare https://forvo.com/word/mj%C3%B6%C3%B0vitnir/#is
>>
>> Oh boy, more trouble. I did figure out the other version proble, (turns
>> out FB has a builtin codepage 437 (English IBM PC) font). But I had to
>> upgrade to innosetup 5.6 unicode version (5.6 is the last version that runs
>> on Win 2000 and XP; 5.5.x required for older OS, but I wouldn't care about
>> installers for those anymore), otherwise the installer wouldn't even run
>> due to the non-ascii .exe filename.
>> And README-custom.exe needs to be encoded in utf-8 WITH a BOM (which is
>> non-standard) or the setup would show the readme wrong. And it doesn't show
>> the version correctly in the title bar of the program if the system
>> codepage isn't Latin-1. But that's a minor problem.
>> Still other untested stuff that might break include the svn branch name
>> (maybe a problem in distrib-win.bat which checks it out? But
>> distrib-win.bat works fine otherwise), and debian package version.
>>
>> On Wed, 1 Jul 2020 at 23:28, James Paige <Bob at hamsterrepublic.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Okay, if Hróðvitnir won't break things in a technical level, I am happy
>>> to go with it. I like the idea of showing off the separation of editor font
>>> and game font
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jul 1, 2020, 1:21 AM Ralph Versteegen <teeemcee at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, 1 Jul 2020 at 03:56, James Paige <Bob at hamsterrepublic.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hello, Simon!
>>>>>
>>>>> I looked up audio of someone From Iceland saying HródDvitnir and it
>>>>> sounded to me like "hroodvishnish"
>>>>>
>>>>> How would we handle the accents? Would it render as
>>>>> Hr[Armor][Potion]vitnir if someone edits their game's font? What would be
>>>>> printed on the console if running with --version ?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I'm going to separate the editor and game fonts (in fact that's the
>>>> next thing I'm working on, maybe even before markup), so people editing
>>>> their font won't be a problem.
>>>>
>>>> I tried it out now and found that I had to update the build system, and
>>>> also the --version printing so itthe OS encoding instead of Latin-1. Tested
>>>> it on Linux with utf8, latin1 and gb18030. Still figuring out how to encode
>>>> correctly on Windows.
>>>> Printing the version in g/c_debug,txt works too: everything in that
>>>> file is Latin-1 encoded. Storing the version in general.reld isn't a
>>>> problem either.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ---
>>>>> James
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020, 9:44 AM Simon Bradley <neworiginal at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I never actually left the mailing list, for some reason. It was
>>>>>> interesting to keep an eye on developments even though I am way out of
>>>>>> touch. I haven't had a decent PC at home for over a decade, but I do now
>>>>>> have one again, so maybe I should think about a return.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> So many old users are constantly revisiting the engine, it figures that
>>>> at some point devs would visit too :)
>>>> You'd find things haven't changed that much, except the code quality
>>>> has improved a lot over the years.
>>>>
>>>> Input on discussions is also welcome. I've been meaning to send an
>>>> email to the list discussing embedding a new script intepreter (I'm
>>>> evaluating squirrel, micropython and lua) and using that instead of FB for
>>>> a lot of things, especially editors. I constantly hear people say they want
>>>> to contribute but don't want to learn/install FB.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> I don't mind Hurdygurdy, although it will always remind me of the
>>>>>> Butthole Surfers cover of the Donovan song Hurdy Gurdy Man. I quite like
>>>>>> the sound of Hullabaloo.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, 30 Jun 2020 at 14:00, Ralph Versteegen <teeemcee at gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Wow, hi Simon! Very surprised. Hope you're doing cool things and
>>>>>>> well.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The suggestions were, for reference
>>>>>>> https://www.slimesalad.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=137186#137186
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, 1 Jul 2020 at 00:34, Simon Bradley <neworiginal at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I vote for Hatstand.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tue, 30 Jun 2020 at 13:30, Ralph Versteegen <teeemcee at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Well, must Hróðvitnir be excluded? As a bit of a prank :) I'm more
>>>>>>>>> concerned that I can't pronounce it :)
>>>>>>>>> (Aside, I hear Fenrir has finished Vikings and is just working
>>>>>>>>> through changes based on playtester feedback.)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I... hadn't actually properly looked into what kind of instrument
>>>>>>>>> hurdy gurdys are. They're awesome! Would the spelling "hurdy-gurdy" be
>>>>>>>>> acceptable?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 30 Jun 2020 at 22:40, James Paige <Bob at hamsterrepublic.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I kept forgetting we need to pick the H codename
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> My favorites:
>>>>>>>>>> Hurdygurdy
>>>>>>>>>> Harengiform
>>>>>>>>>> Humgruffin
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I also do like Fenrir's "Hróðvitnir" but I do feel like the
>>>>>>>>>> accents are a dealbreaker.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I think "hurdygurdy" was the name with the most seconds on the
>>>>>>>>>> forum.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ---
>>>>>>>>>> James Paige
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
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