<div dir="ltr">I thought Steam had a system where you could update user statistics on Stream and it could automatically award achievements when they reach a specific value? I might be imagining that, or getting it confused with some other achievement system. I don't know if you'd need to save anything locally for cross-save counters, I think you could just increment a count on steam.<br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, 28 Oct 2021 at 15:08, Mike Caron <<a href="mailto:caron.mike@outlook.com">caron.mike@outlook.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<div><span style="font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="font-size:14.6667px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);display:inline">The
tag_updates function is the place to put hooks for when a tag changes.</span></span><span style="display:inline"><br>
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<div><span style="font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)">I assumed there might be a place like that. Thanks!</span><span><span style="display:inline"><br>
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<span style="font-size:14.6667px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);display:inline">If achievements are displayed
through steam, how does this work? You</span><br>
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<span style="font-size:14.6667px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);display:inline">can cause Steam to popup
a progress notification with text of your</span><br style="font-size:14.6667px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
<span style="font-size:14.6667px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);display:inline">choice? Or does it have
to be numerical, or predefined in Steam's</span><br style="font-size:14.6667px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
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<span style="font-size:14.6667px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);display:inline">achievement editor?</span><br>
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<div><span style="font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)">You can just tell it to display progress whenever you want, I believe. I was thinking that we would just do this whenever "value % interval == 0".</span><span style="display:inline"><br>
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<div><span style="font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="font-size:14.6667px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);display:inline">What
about achievements that can be progressed towards in separate</span><br>
<span style="font-size:14.6667px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);display:inline">saved games? The example
you put on the wiki of finding all the ways</span><br style="font-size:14.6667px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
<span style="font-size:14.6667px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);display:inline">to die is one where progress
needs to be shared rather than</span><br style="font-size:14.6667px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
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<div><span style="font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="font-size:14.6667px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);display:inline">save-specific.</span><br>
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<div><span style="font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)">I was envisioning a game where these deaths were not game-over-and-reloading-your-last-save inducing, but I suppose that's not clear. I am not sure
how we might want to handle cross-save achievements. Part of me wants to not handle it at all and let game creators do that themselves (if or when custom IO is a thing), but it also wouldn't be
<i>Too</i> hard to add it now either. On the third hand, I suspect this is a rather more niche feature, so maybe we can just punt the issue down the road a bit.</span><span><span style="display:inline"><br>
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<div><span style="font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><br>
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<div><span style="font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="font-size:14.6667px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);display:inline">Creating
an editor for RELOAD-based data is not yet simple, but I'm</span><br>
<span style="font-size:14.6667px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);display:inline">going to make a start
on generalising the Purchases editor (most</span><br style="font-size:14.6667px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
<span style="font-size:14.6667px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);display:inline">likely) into a class
for defining editable RELOAD trees.</span><br>
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Neat. I haven't actually looked too hard into what editors look like these days so I'm not sure how bad "not yet simple" is, but if there's anything I can do to help, please let me know.</div>
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<span style="font-size:14.6667px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);display:inline">Pleased that documentation
already exists on the wiki, documenting</span><br>
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<span style="font-size:14.6667px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);display:inline">everything is a big task!</span><br>
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<div><span style="font-family:Calibri,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;color:rgb(0,0,0)">If I had to pick one lesson that I've learned over the years, it's that documenting things first makes implementation easier. It's keeping that documentation
up to date that is the challenge <span id="gmail-m_3108319521300769642😄">😄</span></span><span style="display:inline"><br>
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<div id="gmail-m_3108319521300769642divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr"><font style="font-size:11pt" face="Calibri, sans-serif" color="#000000"><b>From:</b> Ohrrpgce <<a href="mailto:ohrrpgce-bounces@lists.motherhamster.org" target="_blank">ohrrpgce-bounces@lists.motherhamster.org</a>> on behalf of Ralph Versteegen <<a href="mailto:teeemcee@gmail.com" target="_blank">teeemcee@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b>Sent:</b> October 28, 2021 6:24 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> ohrrpgce <<a href="mailto:ohrrpgce@lists.motherhamster.org" target="_blank">ohrrpgce@lists.motherhamster.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Ohrrpgce] Achievement implementations</font>
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<div>This is going quick!<br>
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The permanent data storage you're looking for is<br>
<a href="https://rpg.hamsterrepublic.com/ohrrpgce/Persist.reld" target="_blank">https://rpg.hamsterrepublic.com/ohrrpgce/Persist.reld</a><br>
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The tag_updates function is the place to put hooks for when a tag changes.<br>
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> A game may wish to expose the current progress at intervals ("defeat 100 goblins: 20/100") to motivate the player to continue progresing the achievement.<br>
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If achievements are displayed through steam, how does this work? You<br>
can cause Steam to popup a progress notification with text of your<br>
choice? Or does it have to be numerical, or predefined in Steam's<br>
achievement editor?<br>
<br>
What about achievements that can be progressed towards in separate<br>
saved games? The example you put on the wiki of finding all the ways<br>
to die is one where progress needs to be shared rather than<br>
save-specific.<br>
<br>
Creating an editor for RELOAD-based data is not yet simple, but I'm<br>
going to make a start on generalising the Purchases editor (most<br>
likely) into a class for defining editable RELOAD trees.<br>
<br>
Pleased that documentation already exists on the wiki, documenting<br>
everything is a big task!<br>
<br>
On Thu, 28 Oct 2021 at 14:03, Mike Caron <<a href="mailto:caron.mike@outlook.com" target="_blank">caron.mike@outlook.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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> Hello friends, sorry I’m late. Got sidetracked with a few things 😊<br>
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> As I’ve been discussing with TMC on the Slime Salad discord, I’m working on adding achievements and Steamworks support to the OHRRPGCE. This is based on a post TMC made here just about three years ago:
<a href="http://lists.motherhamster.org/pipermail/ohrrpgce-motherhamster.org/2018-October/004308.html" target="_blank">
http://lists.motherhamster.org/pipermail/ohrrpgce-motherhamster.org/2018-October/004308.html</a><br>
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> I’ve currently made progress on integrating Steamworks itself, thanks in no small part to TMC helping me get my environment set up, and now I’m thinking about how this stuff will work in the engine itself. I’ve been documenting stuff on the wiki, and I would
encourage everyone to take a peek and give any feedback they have. Note that this page is not complete, and suggestions to fill in blanks would be appreciated.<br>
><br>
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> <a href="https://rpg.hamsterrepublic.com/ohrrpgce/User:Pkmnfrk/Achievements" target="_blank">https://rpg.hamsterrepublic.com/ohrrpgce/User:Pkmnfrk/Achievements</a><br>
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> I’m hopeful to get this implemented soon, so I can get back to my next 13 year hiatus.<br>
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> Cheers!<br>
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> --<br>
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> Mike Caron<br>
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