<div dir="ltr"><a href="http://www.intego.com/mac-security-blog/os-x-market-share-statistics-1-in-5-macs-still-unsupported/">http://www.intego.com/mac-security-blog/os-x-market-share-statistics-1-in-5-macs-still-unsupported/</a><br><div><br></div><div>It looks like 10.4 is a vanishingly small userbase. My developer buddy runs one of the earlier Intel PowerMacs that came with 10.4 and even he can get up to 10.7</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 12:03 AM, Ralph Versteegen <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:teeemcee@gmail.com" target="_blank">teeemcee@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div>.pkg might be a good option. However it is OS 10.5+ only, while we support 10.4 too (hopefully; I don't know whether anyone has ever tested it). However dropping support for 10.4 seems acceptable, since a veeeery tiny number of OSX Intel users will stubbornly remain on 10.4. I have seen websites with software like firefox compiled or backported to those old versions, but I think it is mainly for PPC users.<br><br></div><div>However the improvement of .pkg over .zip seems so small that it's not worth the trouble. Though I don't know what Installer can do; I don't think I've ever used it.<br></div><div><br></div>The Mac app store is still very new, I would think there are very few Mac users out there who don't know what a .dmg file is. Is the app store actually that popular? I thought that there were extra limitations on programs in the app store, similar to iOS or the Windows Store, so that not all software can be distributed through it.<div><div class="h5"><br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 8 July 2015 at 04:22, James Paige <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:Bob@hamsterrepublic.com" target="_blank">Bob@hamsterrepublic.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><div><div>I was concerned that .zip would not work because it discards the executable bit... however, I just did a test, and it looks like I can export a game as a Mac .app on Windows, zip it up, and copy it over to my Mac, and it extracts and runs just fine. Apparently unzipping on Mac just sets the executable bit on every dang file, so the .app still works just fine.<br><br></div>So maybe just zipping the .app up is the simplest thing we should do.<br><br></div>My focusing in .dmg is because that is what I have come to expect for Mac apps, but that is based on experience that is many years old now. These days Mac users expect their apps to be in the Mac app store, so I imagine that the average Mac user hardly ever sees .dmg files anyway.<br><br>---<br></div>James<div><div><br><div><div><br><br><div><div><div><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 8:52 AM, Ralph Versteegen <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:teeemcee@gmail.com" target="_blank">teeemcee@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><div>I had actually forgotten about the compression, so I've been looking into it.<br></div><br>I was surprised to see on the man page for mkisofs that it can create HFS (not HFS+) file system images, because those are used by Apple for CDs.<br>The .dmg file format is called UDIF, which is a wrapper around a file system image which may be HFS/HFS+, FAT, and so on. The HFS+ file system itself seems to be fairly well supported in Linux. Unfortunately the compression of an .dmg is added by UDIF, not HFS (though HFS also supports compression). And UDIF is undocumented and there are almost no 3rd party tools for dealing with it (I only saw ones for reading, not writing); the best I could find was <a href="http://newosxbook.com/DMG.html" target="_blank">http://newosxbook.com/DMG.html</a><br><br></div>I don't think .dmg.zip would make much sense (Why not just use .zip?) even if it were true that OSX magically accepts .isos.<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div>On 8 July 2015 at 03:17, <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ziggythehamster@outlook.com" target="_blank">ziggythehamster@outlook.com</a>></span> wrote:<br></div></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div>
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So the reason we went with .tar.gz on Mac was because we couldn't figure out how to create .dmg files.<br>
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.dmg files are normally Disk images formatted as HSF+ and although tools for formatting as HSF+ exist on Windows and Linux, we could not find any good simple ones that we could redistribute.<br>
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Turns out that the important thing about a .dmg file is that it is a disk image. HFS+ happens to be the preffered format, but any format supported by Macs should work.<br>
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