[Ohrrpgce] Mac builds and SDL frameworks

Thu Dec 5 15:32:04 PST 2019

Yes, I'm saddened to see that the Euphoria devs have done nothing in the
last 4 years to fix the mess that is download links on their website/wiki.
Much of the site still seems to claim that 4.0.5 is the latest version,
which made me wonder whether 4.1.0 was ever officially released. The 32-bit
mac 4.1.0 download link is
https://sourceforge.net/projects/rapideuphoria/files/Euphoria/4.1.0/euphoria-4.1.0-OSX-ix86.tar.gz/download

I did find a roadmap for 4.2.0 posted on the forums, so it seems there is
still work happening on Euphoria.

On Thu, 5 Dec 2019 at 23:38, James Paige <Bob at hamsterrepublic.com> wrote:

> Actually, I could not find any Mac 64 but version other than 4.1.0, and I
> could not find any newer 32 bit version than 4.0.4.
>
> If a 32 bit Mac build of 4.1.0 exists on Euphoria's site, I'll gladly
> switch to it :)
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 4, 2019, 11:28 PM Ralph Versteegen <teeemcee at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I'll try it out.
>> I'm surprised you installed 4.0.4 instead of 4.1.0, though. 4.0.4 will
>> work fine (I still use 4.0.3 myself) but in future I'm thinking of making
>> 4.1.0 a minimum requirement because it adds support for preprocessors which
>> can be used for much simpler 'dot' member access syntax.
>>
>> On Thu, 5 Dec 2019 at 15:03, James Paige <Bob at hamsterrepublic.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Okay! I was able to confirm that euphoria 4.1.0 64 bit was installed at
>>> /Users/james/misc/euphoria/bin/euc
>>> That one is in the path
>>>
>>> I have unpacked euphoria 4.0.4 32 bit at /Users/james/misc/eu32/bin/euc
>>> It is not in the path.
>>>
>>> Let me know if this works okay!
>>>
>>> ---
>>> James
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Dec 3, 2019 at 9:26 PM Ralph Versteegen <teeemcee at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Well since the existing 64-bit copy of euc is in the PATH we don't need
>>>> to know where it is. We only need to pass EUC and EUDIR to scons for the
>>>> other (32-bit) build of euphoria, which should not be installed
>>>> system-wide, it should just be unpacked somewhere and *not* in the PATH.
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, 4 Dec 2019 at 03:45, James Paige <Bob at hamsterrepublic.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> So for Euphoria on the Mac build VM, we want both 32 and 64 bit euc,
>>>>> and we just need to know what path they are located at?
>>>>>
>>>>> Honestly I don't remember anything about how I set up euc there in the
>>>>> first place, so I'll have to find some time for detective work
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Dec 3, 2019, 8:40 AM Ralph Versteegen <teeemcee at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Well, I did it and I certainly wouldn't have used XCode! Trying to
>>>>>> using a complex IDE that you have no experience with is my idea of a
>>>>>> nightmare.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I wrote some code to scan PATH for 32/64-bit euc, but I think I'd
>>>>>> rather just hardcode the paths into distrib-mac.sh than add a bunch more
>>>>>> complexity to SConscript which just amounts to a kludge, not a robust
>>>>>> solution. There are already plenty of hardcoded paths and URLs in the
>>>>>> nightly build scripts anyway.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, 3 Dec 2019 at 23:45, James Paige <Bob at hamsterrepublic.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I found reports of people saying it couldn't be done (static oggenc
>>>>>>> on Mac that is) and one of somebody explaining that the reason it couldn't
>>>>>>> be done is because of a bug that Apple had "wontfixed" years ago. I was
>>>>>>> assuming they were talking about xcode . I didn't read any deeper
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'll try to get 32 bit euphoria installed soon. Not sure if it will
>>>>>>> be today.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ---
>>>>>>> James
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, Dec 3, 2019, 3:51 AM Ralph Versteegen <teeemcee at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You found reports of people failing to build a statically linked
>>>>>>>> oggenc on Mac? I think I probably did it using macports.
>>>>>>>> I'm also reminded that I was interested in setting up a
>>>>>>>> cross-compiling toolchain to compile for Mac. I might still try it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But if we don't have oggenc, then that is what we'll have to do.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Could you also please install a 32-bit Euphoria?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Mon, 2 Dec 2019 at 23:45, James Paige <Bob at hamsterrepublic.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hmmm... Googled about that a bit...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Maybe on Mac, if oggenc is not detected in the PATH, we link to a
>>>>>>>>> wiki page about importing sound on Mac.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It could suggest installing Audacity, and link to a Mac version of
>>>>>>>>> it. So people can just save .ogg files from there.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It could also describe how to install oggenc with macports or brew
>>>>>>>>> if the user wants to go that route.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Actually figuring out how to build a staticly linked command line
>>>>>>>>> oggenc where so many others have failed is over my head, and outside the
>>>>>>>>> scope of what I want to attempt.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Dec 1, 2019, 10:44 PM Ralph Versteegen <teeemcee at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> OK, great. However I don't have any solution to the
>>>>>>>>>> madplay/oggenc problem. Either you will have to solve it, or I'll have to
>>>>>>>>>> set up a hackintosh VM (which I probably should do anyway), or we simply
>>>>>>>>>> need to disable wav import in the mac port. (We could allow importing mp3s
>>>>>>>>>> again, that's another topic of discussion)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 2 Dec 2019 at 05:59, James Paige <Bob at hamsterrepublic.com>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> This all sounds good to me!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I have installed all four of those frameworks at
>>>>>>>>>>> /Library/Frameworks/ on the nightly build mac vm
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Nov 30, 2019 at 9:10 PM Ralph Versteegen <
>>>>>>>>>>> teeemcee at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> James, could you please install the following on the Mac
>>>>>>>>>>>> nightly build machine (in either system or user Frameworks dir)?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.libsdl.org/projects/SDL_mixer/release/SDL_mixer-1.2.12.dmg
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.libsdl.org/projects/SDL_mixer/release/SDL2_mixer-2.0.4.dmg
>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.libsdl.org/release/SDL-1.2.15.dmg
>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.libsdl.org/release/SDL2-2.0.10.dmg
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I think you already should have at least the SDL.framework and
>>>>>>>>>>>> SDL_mixer.framework, but just double-checking. Latest versions of both were
>>>>>>>>>>>> released 2013-08-17!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> (Those SDL/SDL_mixer 1.2 frameworks have been built as fat
>>>>>>>>>>>> binaries, and target OS 10.5+ while we target OS 10.4+, so I guess we will
>>>>>>>>>>>> continue to package 32-bit .apps with the wip/mac/frameworks.tar.gz builds
>>>>>>>>>>>> we already have. A alternative build of SDL.framework for OS 10.4+ is
>>>>>>>>>>>> available but they didn't make one available for SDL_mixer.framework)
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I will blindly modify the build scripts to package an
>>>>>>>>>>>> 64-bit-only gfx_sdl .app, and ask users to test whether it actually works,
>>>>>>>>>>>> because I can't. And also an experimental 64-bit gfx_sdl2 build, though I
>>>>>>>>>>>> think that shouldn't become the default until after Fufluns.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> As I said before, I think a good solution is to have two
>>>>>>>>>>>> different Mac builds:
>>>>>>>>>>>> -32 bit SDL 1.2 for OS 10.4+
>>>>>>>>>>>> -64 bit SDL 2 for OS 10.6+
>>>>>>>>>>>> We could then add two different options to the Distribute Game
>>>>>>>>>>>> menu.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> However, we could also create fat binary 32+64-bit .apps, which
>>>>>>>>>>>> are twice the size (OHRRPGCE-Game.app is currently 1.6MB zipped).
>>>>>>>>>>>> I guess that we could even package 32-bit gfx_sdl and 64-bit
>>>>>>>>>>>> gfx_sdl2 builds into a single .app.
>>>>>>>>>>>> However I think it will be a pain to set up and the number of
>>>>>>>>>>>> people using 32-bit Macs is low.
>>>>>>>>>>>> We have to make similar decisions about SDL 2 on Windows: it
>>>>>>>>>>>> only supports Win XP+.
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