[Ohrrpgce] Old OHR source zips

Fri May 19 10:11:35 PDT 2017

I only remember using the IPX stuff on DOS, Windows 95, and Windows 98. I
don't think I ever got it working on anything newer.

I don't remember cogman.bas at all, but looking at it now, I think it was
probably intended to be an import/export format for transferring 16-color
sprites from one game to another. I do remember that being an oft-requested
feature in the days before BMP import/export were implemented.

The "sq" in sqfile must be for "Squish". It does indeed look like my
abandoned and forgotten attempt to implement some kind of crude run-length
compression.

romfont.bas is really interesting. I have zero memory of it, and from the
filename, I would have assumed that it was something Brian wrote to convert
the DOS rom font into our font format... but actually looking at the code,
I definitely wrote it. I recognize my documentation style, but I can't
remember who I was writing it for. I so rarely document in that detail if I
am doing it just for myself. I must have just been in a good mood the day I
wrote that :)

I can't remember whether or not Brian ever did upload allmodex anywhere
publicly before it was released as part of the ohrrpgce source. I am
totally going to CC him on this :)

---
James

On Fri, May 19, 2017 at 9:39 AM, Ralph Versteegen <teeemcee at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hmm, did the IPX networking still work under Windows? If so, pre-Windows
> NT only, I imagine (since Win 2000 and later no longer have DOS at the
> bottom). It's weird to see network code amongst what otherwise still looks
> an awfully lot like code from the OHR. If it had been possible, and if I
> had a copy of ipxstuff.asm, I imagine I would have tried it out in the OHR,
> as I did for sound effects and mouse input... but I don't think it would
> have been possible, on my computer anyway.
>
> These backups of the source seem to be more complete than the 2000 and
> 2005 copies. There's more here, such as the Euphoria BAM code, files from
> the website such as the FAQ and .rpg documentation, and the long-missing
> cdebug.bat to compile with lines like
>  'DEBUG debug "top of master loop"
> uncommented. (We still have those all lines but I think I only ever made
> use of them a couple of times!)
> And... there's a lot more original source images from Wandering Hamster
> and... pacbob.rpg!! So Fyre was not the first to create a pacman clone
> (odd, the 2003 version doesn't let you go right, an earlier one does)
>
> There's also a bunch of code I don't recognise in the 2003 zip. cogman.bas
> looks like a start on a file format... I'm guessing COG stands for
> Collection Of Graphics! Was that hoped to become part of the OHR? I'm
> guessing not, because of real mode limits.
> And sqfile.bas almost looks like a file compression program.
> romfont.bas documents allmodex and is an example program for it (and would
> have been very useful to have! Some of this documentation is still better
> than what we have, and is still relevant!!). I seem to remember hearing
> that Brian uploaded allmodex to QB programming websites? I remember coming
> across a lot of similar libraries when I was looking for QB libraries
> online in the early 2000's, when I only knew QBasic. But I never used any,
> or even made full use of QB.
>
>
> On 20 May 2017 at 03:51, James Paige <Bob at hamsterrepublic.com> wrote:
>
>> No, it wasn't the only one, but I think it was the first one.
>>
>> Spitwars had local IPX support, and in theory I think it might have had
>> up to 6 players, but I have no memory of ever testing more than 2 at a time.
>>
>> Scrambled Eggs also used the IPX multiplayer stuff.
>>
>> I also see a copy of ipxstuff.asm in the shipwars source, but I don't
>> think that it was ever used. I think that was was just
>> two-players-on-the-same-keyboard multiplayer
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, May 19, 2017 at 8:42 AM, Ralph Versteegen <teeemcee at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Was ipxufo the only HR game with network support? Both the network code,
>>> and the whole game, looks really short and simple. Having the other end of
>>> the connection a few feet away does away with a lot of the problems of
>>> over-internet networking, seems pretty ideal for having fun with it.
>>>
>>> On 20 May 2017 at 03:21, James Paige <Bob at hamsterrepublic.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> The source code to givefile and getfile is lost to time, but I did just
>>>> realize that the IPX networking code that they use still exists here
>>>> https://james.hamsterrepublic.com/hamster/ipxufo/asmcode/ipxstuff.asm
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, May 19, 2017 at 8:13 AM, Ralph Versteegen <teeemcee at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Ah, that's rather neat! I actually read zz_486.bat last week when
>>>>> looking at the source from 2000 and I noticed givefile. I figured it was a
>>>>> network transfer program, and with a name like that guessed it was a custom
>>>>> program or batch file. And then you answer my question a few days later :)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 20 May 2017 at 02:20, James Paige <Bob at hamsterrepublic.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Opps!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I had those files uploaded chmod 600 instead of 644
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have fixed them, and normalized their names
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://hamsterrepublic.com/ohrrpgce/archive/ohrrpgce-source-
>>>>>> 2001-06-07.zip
>>>>>> http://hamsterrepublic.com/ohrrpgce/archive/ohrrpgce-source-
>>>>>> 2002-07-10.zip
>>>>>> http://hamsterrepublic.com/ohrrpgce/archive/ohrrpgce-source-
>>>>>> 2003-11-29.zip
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Looking on those is a blast to the past. In the 2001 zip, I can see a
>>>>>> batch file called zz_486.bat
>>>>>> It calls a program called "givefile"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If I remember correctly, My computer, and my cousin Brian's computer
>>>>>> were sitting side-by-side connected by a single ethernet cable with no
>>>>>> hub/switch.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> His was a Pentium running Windows 95, and mine was a 486 running DOS,
>>>>>> and Windows 3.1
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Our attempts to get Windows networking file sharing to work
>>>>>> repeatedly ended in frustration, but we knew that IPX networking was
>>>>>> working fine because we could play multiplayer DOOM and Hexen, so Brian dug
>>>>>> into some IPX documentation, and wrote givefile.exe and getfile.exe (I
>>>>>> think they were in asm, not quickbasic, but I am not sure) They would do a
>>>>>> crude file transfer
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So that zz_486.bat was my first network backup script for the
>>>>>> ohrrpgce.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, May 19, 2017 at 6:31 AM, Ralph Versteegen <teeemcee at gmail.com
>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> James, you mentioned that you found some more backup copies of the
>>>>>>> OHR source code and uploaded them to http://hamsterrepublic.com/ohr
>>>>>>> rpgce/archive/. (For some reason I can't find the email about it,
>>>>>>> maybe it was on IRC). Half a year later I'm finally getting around to
>>>>>>> downloading them and splicing them into the git-svn history. I see three
>>>>>>> new files in that directory:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://hamsterrepublic.com/ohrrpgce/archive/ohrrpgce-src-200
>>>>>>> 3-11-29.zip
>>>>>>> http://hamsterrepublic.com/ohrrpgce/archive/wander-src_2001_
>>>>>>> 06_07.zip
>>>>>>> http://hamsterrepublic.com/ohrrpgce/archive/wander-src_2002-
>>>>>>> 07-10.zip
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But I can't download any of them, they all give a 403 error!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> (Also, these are inconsistently named with the other
>>>>>>> ohrrpgce-source-*.zip files)
>>>>>>>
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